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Erdoğan Needs to stand with Egypt, not the Muslim Brotherhood

By Adel El-Adawy The Egyptian-Turkish relationship has reached a low point and can be considered severed, because of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s full-fledged support for the Muslim Brotherhood at the expense of the majority of Egyptians and the Egyptian state. As Egyptian Ambassador to Turkey, Abdel Rahman Salah explained: “The fear of Erdoğan’s government …


Adel El-Adawy
Adel El-Adawy

By Adel El-Adawy

The Egyptian-Turkish relationship has reached a low point and can be considered severed, because of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s full-fledged support for the Muslim Brotherhood at the expense of the majority of Egyptians and the Egyptian state. As Egyptian Ambassador to Turkey, Abdel Rahman Salah explained: “The fear of Erdoğan’s government of the reoccurrence of the 30 June scenario in Turkey is one of the reasons he supports the Muslim Brotherhood organization.” The stance of the Turkish government contradicts its previous policies, and has been regarded by observers as having deviated from strategic rational.

The Egyptian-Turkish relationship has been longstanding for many decades. With the fall of Mubarak, the relations entered a new strategic dimension. Turkey was one of the first countries to congratulate Egypt for its achievement after the 25 January Revolution and many regarded Turkey as a model for the moderate Islamic State. The relations between the two countries were further consolidated with a successful three-day bilateral visit in September 2011 by Prime Minister Erdoğan with several ministers and over 200 businessmen accompanying him. In response, the Egyptian government and people strongly appreciated the support of Turkey and sincerely regarded the relationship as a strategic partnership for regional stability.

The close cooperation between the two countries was slowly increasing for many years prior to the 25 January Revolution, especially on the economic front. The 2005 free trade agreement between the two countries, which came into effect in March of 2007, really boosted economic cooperation. The trade volume in 2010 was $3.1bn compared to $1.1bn in 2006. After the election of the Muslim Brotherhood presidential candidate Mohamed Morsi, the Egyptian-Turkish relationship became more diversified and was elevated to a new level. The trade volume in 2012 reached over $5bn, and the interactions and initiatives between the two countries included new forms of cultural and educational exchanges. Even Defence Minister Abdel Fattah Al-Sisi, during Morsi’s last cabinet reshuffle, was on a bilateral visit to Turkey to discuss how to strengthen military cooperation. On the regional front, Turkey and Egypt were closely collaborating, such as on the Syrian crisis, which exemplified the strategic partnership.

However, this all changed after the ouster of Morsi. For now, the strategic political partnership has abruptly ended. Although the recalled Turkish Ambassador has now returned to Cairo, there are still no indicators that his Egyptian counterpart will return to Turkey in the foreseeable future.  From the Egyptian perspective, the Erdoğan government’s accommodation of meetings in Istanbul for the Muslim Brotherhood International Alliance has been deemed unacceptable. This has only further narrowed the developed strategic cooperation to an alliance with an organisation, rather than with the Egyptian state. The Egyptian interim government regards the Turkish efforts on the international stage, such as the attempt to convene the UN Security Council on Egypt, as a direct effort to undermine Egypt’s national security. The hostile stance against the Egyptian people and the insult of Sheikh Al-Azhar, the highest authority of moderate Islam in Egypt and the Muslim World, has completely diminished Erdoğan’s popularity in the Egyptian street.

Erdoğan’s policy towards Egypt has isolated him in the Arab world, especially after Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait and the UAE indicated strong support for the political change in Egypt. Erdoğan’s support for the Brotherhood at the expense of the majority of Egyptians threatens Turkish interest in Egypt. Egypt already cancelled the joint naval exercise, and Turkish investments might suffer from Erdoğan’s policies. Turkish power trajectory and influence in the Arab World is diminishing, which will make it difficult for Turkey to continue the rise as a main regional power interlocutor.

Erdoğan’s own future with the upcoming elections might now be put in jeopardy. Unless Turkey realises it cannot interfere in Egypt’s domestic affairs and stop its destructive policies towards Egypt, the strategic relationship that once was will remain history. After all, from an Egyptian perspective, it might be best for the Turkish-Egyptian relationship to see a leadership change in Turkey. The post-30 June Egyptian government and Erdoğan ‘s Turkey will not cooperate in the foreseeable future, as one of the two will have to take a step back and Egyptians believe that it will be Turkey.

 

Adel El-Adawy is a Next Generation Fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

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  • Sadab Mosaddek

    Egyptians need to stand with democracy; not totalitarian military dictatorship of Sisi..

    • Intellectualist

      You need actual democracy. The Morsi government was in no way a true representative democracy. The endorsement of any religious belief by a government defeats its ability to govern fairly and with equal protection rights to all.

      • Sublime Port

        So why not just wait for elections? Your line is so simple. Yeah the army is bad, but PM Morsi was (could have been) worse. What you and many need to realize is that by letting the army stage a coup you have destroyed democracy. That simple. Is what you have now better?

        • Intellectualist

          I didn’t say Sisi was bad. I’m not even there. I live by Fethullah Gulen.

          • Sublime Port

            Yeah Sisi is a great puppet and will do many wonder for Egyptian democracy. Give my regards to the hoca

          • Intellectualist

            Puppet? Of intellectualism?

          • Dr Bilal SAVAS

            Al Sisi is a true dictator. He is worse than Mubarak.

          • Intellectualist

            Military rule is by definition dictatorial. If he uses his superior intellect to set free the people with free elections his dictatorship vanishes. the future of the world is intellectual rule. He/she with the highest of IQ’s and selfless ambitions will rule.

          • Dr Bilal SAVAS

            Get outta here! Do you think you are social engineer? There arentsperior intellectual ideas and havent been any! Idea is a product of human therefore cannot be superior! In the means of Nietsche you may be correct however in reality there areno superior intellect and superman! If one support killing innocent people, then must be considered bloodsucking vampire with no doubt! You kill not and steal not! That is the superior intellect! Otherwise HOMO HOMILI LUPUS!

          • Intellectualist

            Sorry, you don’t make the cut. Back to the peasant class of subservience and misery for you. Do you have a professional license that needs revoking?

          • Dr Bilal SAVAS

            :))) Your attitude reflects the lowest class you belong to.

          • Reda Sobky

            Those who support the deposed and their power grab will say what you say. But those of us who love Egypt above all else will tell you he is a first class Egyptian patriot in the tradition of other great Egyptian patriot soldiers, yes, beloved Egypt deserves protection from its enemies domestic or foreign and her sons and daughters know how and when she demands that loyalty. Sorry Charlie!

          • Dr Bilal SAVAS

            You musnt kill and steal! Otherwise you are rebellious! This explains what Sisi the clone Pharoah have done! He hasbeen ruining Egypt badly. If Mursi was bad, then you must wait and go to balletbox but not kill the innocent civilians without hesitation! One who kills cannot be innocent and patriot! I love Egypt and honourable Egyptian people more than you! Today is supposed to be Holy day the first day of Eid Al Adha! No doubt that in the end the majority of Egyptian people rule. Not the paranoids who fear domestic (!) enemies (ie the ordinary Egptians) and foreign (ie the Gazzan Palestinians) enemies! Your perpelexed and irrational statements suck matey! Sorry about that!

          • Reda Sobky

            If the thirty or so million who went out on June 30 are paranoids then i stand with them proudly. Fascist structures were recognized and dismantled and that is the crux of the matter, the rest is fluff. How does one characterize those who lay down the group of Egyptian recruits and massacre 23 like that. Are these not enemies of Egypt? Gaza allowing the introduction of arms into Sinai that are used by gangs under their control and influence to kill Egyptians soldiers and civilians and otherwise act like terrorists, how does that rate? What is it you are implying, are these perpetrators enemies of Egypt or are they friends, it would be a new concept in friendship you propose, Eid or no eid.

          • Dr Bilal SAVAS

            Your statements make me 100 percent sure that the whole media in Egypt are biased and poison people by their fabricated lies. There exist more than 10,000 innocent unarmed anticoup sit-in campers were killed and thousands of them were injured. If the people at R4bia or at Nahda were armed would the army, police forces and baltagi thugs have killed thousands of them? I witnessed what happened at R4bia on live TV (Al Jazeera Mubashir) even though I do not understand a word in Arabic (of course some slogans I learned such as yasqud yasqud hukmul asqar-down with military coup, La Sharqiyya La Garbiyya Misr Islamiyya-neither western nor eastern Egypt is just islamic, Arhal ya Sisi-go away Sisi etc. If I went to Hajj this year I would be immediately annihilated by Saudis since I would not be quiet). Everyone who has heart would have burst into tears for what he had seen and what had happened at R4bia! And also at Nahda. And many other places I do not know of. Please let me tell you that everyone in the world knows Sisi is backed by the whole controlled media in Egypt. No anticoup media exist in the country. The news are biased and full of lies. Turkey’s Anadolu Agency journalist has been still in jail for he was broadcasting the truth from the mosque in Egypt. The Egyptian native reporter working for TRT Arabic was jailed for she cried when she was broadcasting at Al Fath Mosque. Anadolu Agency’s Metin Turan who is still in jail in Egypt was trapped in Fath Mosque for more than a day for the fear of baltagi looters (by the way baltagi, “baltaci” in Turkish means axman/chopper. “c” transformed into “g” in Egyptian Arabic accent I guess). After broken into the mosque military and police forces captured him and jailed because he was broadcasting the truth! He sent many twitters by his ipad. No Turkish TVs are allowed to broadcast in Egypt. Anadolu Agency’s reporter who works in Egypt could not get a visa returning from his holiday in Turkey. Visas were abolished between Turkey and Egypt. Now it is required now. Those who killed and are still being killed are your fellow citizens and never used arms against their police and army forces. They perceive Egyptian army as sacred as the army of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). It is still so in my opinion. The trap waiting for anticoup demonstrators is that if they started using weapons against army and police. If they never use weapons against their army they will win the game in the end inshallah! Although Sisi the clone Nimrod or Pharoah isnt able to have a wink at night for R4bia Anticoup Resistance still havent been armed yet! No matter what Sisi is backed by US, EU, Saudis, UAE, Kuwait, Israel and Syria he has still no success in cowering and silencing anticoup people. There are millions of people still demonstrating in the streets of Egypt every single day. Not only Ikhwan people but also liberals, leftists, communists and even Coptic people. You may check on the some arabic TV channels. The coup detat is no success for sure. Never be so. Cannot be so. Turkey is at least strongly against it. Both the Turkish government and the majority of Turkish people against it. Erdogan once gave Sisi 2 billion US dollars last year and the rest was about to come. The trade capacity between Turkey&Egypt was increased to 12 billion dollars. Turkish businessmen have invested 22 billion dollars worth of capital in Egypt. Now what? The people of Muslim countries are anticoup. Even in Saudi the true muslim people are against it. So what will happen! The world has changed. Sisi is not sterilized from the changing world. The slogan goes “Yasqud yasqud huqmul askar/dajjal” is the biggest challenging Bertha gun of the Universal R4bia Resistance I reckon! Everyone’s life in Egypt is sacred. Noone is happy about the turbulance and strife in the society. Prophet Joseph’s (pbuh) Holy Egypt and its honourable people have urged the Universal R4bia Resistance that will lead to awaken the sleeping miserable people of Muslim countries. Once again Islam will come up from Prophet Joseph’s (pbuh) well it fell down many hundreds years ago just after Suleiman the Magnificent of the Ottomans that is since 1600s meaning that there have been no true representers of Islam for about 400 years. There is no coincidende in the world! Even Sisi is not worthless! Praise Allah! Many thanks Almighty Rab!

      • Dr Bilal SAVAS

        I wonder what do you understand from democracy? Even liberals have beliefs. Believing or supporting liberalism means you are for liberalism. In democratic systems you must be tolerant. Religious parties should not be an excuse for despotism!

        • Intellectualist

          Irrational belief in something that isn’t tangible leads to irrational actions that serve humanity poorly.

          • Dr Bilal SAVAS

            Yet again what is irrational action? What is humanity? You have no idea what humankind is. You really suck mate! You have some fixed ideas and look the phenomena through your onesided glasses! Ration rules! Sorry mate!

          • Intellectualist

            Humanity is what we are as a race. You divide and promote hatred and I counter it with common values. You hurl insults to bolster weakness. You’ve already lost.

      • Dr Bilal SAVAS

        What is TRUE democracy? Because you hate RELIGION, should all the religious people be slaughtered by some gangsters and their thugs for they have joined the elections and have been successfull and elected? Your tautological thoughts suck mate! Go teach yourself some reason and do your homework! You seem incurable though!

        • Intellectualist

          You are very hateful and theologically impaired. Do you read what you’ve written?

  • Reda Sobky

    The first question has to be, to what extent does caliphate central plan and regulate the behavior of its chapters wether in power or out of power? If the obedience ethic is upheld on that level too as it is on other levels, then it seems like power holders and power seekers are both directed to behave in a manner that is coordinated and generated by the planners of the operatives of caliphate central. When the plan failed and the Egyptian people and the Egyptian army stood up to the caliphate’s toxic madness, they took charge of the destiny of Egypt with courage and determination and now we see the deposed behaving like destructive spoilers-if we can’t control the ship by ourselves we are going to punish everybody by burning it down–that is what it sounds like. The Egyptian people are sick of cowering to dictators religious or otherwise, that is it, it is over, finished and not available any more. F.Marshall el Sisi and all Egyptian patriots are now challenged to make the Egyptian vision materialize into social and economic progress. The difficulty is not between Turkey and Egypt, or between the Turkish and Egyptian people, it is between the grand caliphate plan and the Egyptian collective will to freedom and autonomy. They still think that Egyptians will cower to their intimidation and come to “beg them to come back” as quoted, that is what it is coming down to. Attack Egypt until it cowers, well no more to them or anyone. If somebody doesn’t understand that the strength of Egypt is in its national consensus, the people and the army together in the long run, is nowhere. That is the natural state and the normal historic relationship that has been tense at times through the Mubarak period and its aftermath, is back well and good.

    • Intellectualist

      Your MB is our Tea Party.

      • sam enslow

        True. Just different religions. I wish people could see this and that religion has nothing to do with the matter except to show as a mask. It is the old rural/urban divide, effendi vs farmers. A problem in Egypt is that many now in the cities still have the minds of farmers. They have not been made part of urban life.
        King Faud wanted to be named Caliph. Such titles are very important to kings. When the last sultan left Turkey, he kept that title. No one cared.

        • Intellectualist

          Caring means being empathetic to the weaknesses and fears of others and not shooting them down in cold blood. It’s inhumane to treat people with such disturbed minds that way. They may be politically destructive, but in their minds they feel justified. Killing them makes others feel even more justified.

      • Reda Sobky

        Does the tea party use terrorist acts and ethnic cleansing and religious hatred as its tools? The tea party is an old style nativist type thing were some people see themselves as promoting some aspects of US politics more then others as a way to correct something they see as undesirable for American society, whereas religionists are an exclusivist group on a mission to turn make things they way the want them or else fight everybody including the state of Egypt itself….sorry, i don’t see the comparison at all.

        • Intellectualist

          Yes they do use terrorism, race baiting, anti-semtism, and anti intellectualism. They are very much a theocratic movement like gulenists.

          • Reda Sobky

            We have a misunderstanding here. I live in America and i follow the tea party closely and i can unequivocally see that words are their currency not guns and knives. The political arena is very big in the US and they are doing somethings previously done by others historically, no, the Egypt situation is not like the tea party at all-actually, I respect the tea party and think it is part of the US political engagement, but the Egypt one was a fascist take over, militia, ethnic cleansing, targeted violence–more like the golden dawn now in the dock in Greece, not like the tea party. The tea party is a small group of less than 25 political hacks who are throwing their weight around by being obstructionist. The other one is a massive caliphate project with forty some chapters and a central council which gives orders down the line even to Prime Ministers and Presidents. Think what it is like when the highest officeholder in a country is a third level person in such an organization that is famous for the obedience of its members. As an intellectual you have to weigh the evidence before you equate things.

          • Intellectualist

            Uh hello the gun issue isn’t a tea party one? What about the financial terrorism we’re under attack from right now? Have you ever spoken to these radicals about gun control? The first threat you get is to take up arms against the government. if the tea party were given the power, their theocratic ideology and the resulting indifference to the human value of their opponents would clearly lead them down the same path. You don’t need to travel far down the path to make educated assumptions about where it leads. The morsi experiment was a failure from the start.

          • Reda Sobky

            I guess I am slightly less pessimistic about things in the USA than you are, but i like your response, credible also.

          • Intellectualist

            Please encourage Pete King to form an independent block in exchange for the House speakership and stop the theocratic fascist shutdown that threatens the world’s economy. I need voices of reason. thanks.

      • Reda Sobky

        Deos the tea party use terrorist acts and ethnic cleansing and religious hatred as its tools? The tea party is an old style nativist type thing were some people see themselves as promoting some aspects of US politics more than others as a way to correct something they see as undesirable for American society, whereas religionists are an exclusivist group on a mission to make things the way they want them or else fight everybody including the state of Egypt itself…sorry, i don’t see the comparison at all.

    • Dr Bilal SAVAS

      Can you please tell me where the Grand grand caliphate is? Is there any that I do not know of? I never know why the people of Islamic countries are incurably so confused? If there would be caliphate or such an institution Egypt or Turkey would not experience what they have been going through. Nationalism, racism or some other confused systems have no place in Muslim world. For Muslims are only brothers and sisters. Have you ever thought about why Western countries are so wealthy but Muslim countries are poor and corrupted? Have they been so for ages or just after their caliphate system was ruined? Think about it!

      • Reda Sobky

        One has to rely on what the adherent says him or her selves and not patronize people by making up what they say..if you go on you tube and print media of the period you see verified out of the literature of the time that advocates this conceptual basis, even Erdogan has used it. That is the most direct method of observation, the next one how they are behaving, well it is obvious somebody was directing the situation from a distance which is largely why it failed, we have come to call this caliphate central, now we know there is a 57 chapter international organization that publishes minutes of its meetings including memo s and resolutions intended to punish the free Egyptian people for making the choice to withdraw power and legitimacy from the deposed, on and on, the proof for what is said is out there to be seen by everybody and to doubt people when they are reporting factually is an old trick not becoming this era of transparency, if you have a point make it.

      • Intellectualist

        There is no “muslim” world, just as there’s no “christian” world, only one world in which we all share.

  • Intellectualist

    Only a secular democracy can fully protect the religious freedoms of everyone. It pains me, as an American who believes in the right of self governance, to read that my country is suspending aid to Egypt. I firmly believe that the intentions of your military to stabilize the populace has been undermined by the use of force. The raw emotional outbursts and aggressive fundamentalist expressions to me represent the symptoms of mentally ill people who need evaluation and treatment for behavioral disorders. The humane method of detaining, tranquilizing and admitting to a proper facility for evaluation would serve your goals better. Bloodshed serves no civilized agenda. The civilized world shudders at the reporting of it. Tranquilizer guns could eliminate the majority of the objectionable instances that so unfairly punish your country. We don’t condone the use of force on our sick citizens. I think you should adopt this policy as well.

  • Sublime Port

    Blaming others for your problems is not going to work. PM Erdogan did not bring Egypt into chaos. In fact he has tried to help Egypt long before all this crap started. The moment you brought down your own elected president and started killing your own people your spring ended. Its funny how complete a denial you are in. Still believing that the army stepping in was a good thing. Can you call it a coup yet? Oh no its not a coup, its called restoring democracy.. Yeah right, keep telling yourself that. So Turkey has lost business from S. Arabia, UAE and so on. So what? Do you remember when Turkey had a spat with Israel every Israeli was saying boycott Turkey and stop going on holidays. They thought that would bring Turkey down. Now these so called banana states S.Arabia, UAE and the like are trying to tell Turkey what the moral line is. Laughable. Also laughable is your imagination, Erdogan losing next years election? If he runs for PM he will be PM, but i hope he becomes President and Mr Gul can be PM. Turkey will always stand with the Egyptian people. Insallah reason will prevail and sisi will vanish.

    • Intellectualist

      Erdogan is dividing the society in a quest to prove theocracy can work without authoritarianism creeping in. It will inevitably lead to coup. Then what? Where’s your model?

      • Sublime Port

        It will inevitably lead to coup. Then what? Where’s your model?” You seem to have Turkish politics all wrapped up there. What coup? In Turkey? If you knew much about Turkey you would know that a coups do not have a place in our society anymore. We have seen and lived through the damage caused by coups. Erdogan is not dividing anything, the protests in Turkey just highlighted how weak the opposition parties really are. In Turkey we have free and fair elections and the elected governments do the time given by law. He has been elected 3 times in a row with a majority. If your definition of democracy defines this as undemocratic then thats a shame.

        • Intellectualist

          Mob rule is false democracy. If Turkey is so great, why is Gulen here in my neighborhood causing trouble? A coup is a symptom. Theocracy cannot coexist with democracy. They cancel each other out.

          • Dr Bilal SAVAS

            I m sorry to tell this but you have no reason my mate. Your hate of religion makes you shaky. Theocracy cannot exist in Islamic world. Coz there is no place for theocracts. There isno Jesus-Ceasar dichotomy in this world. Islamic countries are corrupted that is their problem.

          • Intellectualist

            Corruption only exists in the apathy that theological subservience breeds.

          • Intellectualist

            No place for theocrats? Do you even know the definition of theocracy? Or should I say theocrazy?

      • mustafatayli

        İf you read english language newspapers or websites. You can see that all the generals who wanted to make coup are in jail now. But anyway there is a fear of coup in the heart of manager of prison. Because these generals can overthrow the manager of prison.

        • Intellectualist

          Sooner or later the authoritarianism will fail. This is the 21st century.

  • abdul .a. shaiky

    HI ADEL A ADAWAY,
    You are forgetting that Turkey had same experience as Egypt in past.!!
    An elected Islamic party was dissolve by American sponsored(aid seeker) army and arrested their members.!!
    DEMOCRACY OF AMERICAN SPONSOREED ARM FORCES.!! A TRUE PICTURE IS COMMING OUT.!!
    A number of potential secular candidates for president have said they will not run if Gen Abdel Fatah al-Sisi (C) throws his hat into the ring. REUTERS photo
    A number of potential secular candidates for president have said they will not run if Gen Abdel Fatah al-Sisi (C) throws his hat into the ring. REUTERS photo
    Egypt’s military chief Abdel Fattah al-Sisi left the door open to a presidential run in elections next year, telling a paper published on Wednesday it was up to “God’s will”.

    The general is easily the county’s most popular political figure after he ousted president Mohamed Morsi and appointed an interim government in July, in response to mass protests demanding the Islamist’s resignation.

    “The matter you speak of is tremendous and significant,” Sisi replied when asked in an interview with Al-Masry al-Yom whether he would stand for president.

    “But I think the time is not right to ask this question, given the challenges and dangers facing the country which require we focus our efforts on achieving the plan for the future,” he said.

    The newspaper added that Sisi fell silent before reciting a Koranic verse loosely translated as: “And God’s will prevails.” Several former presidential candidates who lost out to Morsi in elections last year have said they would support Sisi if he stood for president.

    • Intellectualist

      Sisi is merely sucking the air out of the room. We here in the US purposely did not interfere with your politics and let you elect morsi. I have this jerk Gulen here interfering in my politics in the woods of New York State. Can you take him back to Turkey? Please?

    • Sammyb

      More and more rhetoric, you should become a dictator like Erdogan!

      • Dr Bilal SAVAS

        PM Erdogan is not a dictator! Gezi conspiracy was not a success Is that why he has become a dictator! Turkey never sacrifies its current wealth, power and honour over some looters! 75 millions of Turkish people are united against Gezi looters no matter what CNN is the unique lover of them! This reminded me Young Turks’ Committee of Union and Progress and 31 March Incident in 1909. This is so familiar!

        • Intellectualist

          Intoxication of theocracy is damaging.

          • Dr Bilal SAVAS

            How about intoxication of atheism? What if both parties cannot endure themselves? What is your solution? Killing each other? Islam sets people free who to or what to believe. There is no compulsion in Islam. Islam means PEACE! So the problem is originating from not Islam but its enemies!

          • Intellectualist

            There is no compulsion in Islam? Now that’s funny! All religion is compulsion.

          • Dr Bilal SAVAS

            :))))))))))))))))) lol! This inferior level makes me really feel sick! :((((((((

  • Lionel Jones

    Modern democracy is a sham, a lie and a dream. The ideal democracy is run by the people and for the people. In todays’ democracy, the major corporations and big businesses put their puppets in office and the people are forgotten. Politicians, once in office, care not about the “little” people. The shabab have been sold a dream that will never be true, regardless of one’s religious affiliation. In modern democracy, the stock markets and financial institutions are the only places of worship. As long as the Egyptian military is loyal to those across the Ethiopian Sea, Egypt is not free. After over thirty years of military rule, the youth expect instant utopia. The shabab need to put down the hash pipes and clean their houses. Modern democracy is a sham, a lie and a dream.

    • Intellectualist

      Democracy is only worth the participation that’s put in. Apathy is the reason corporotacracy flourishes.

    • Intellectualist

      you need a mandatory voting law before you get like us where people are so lazy and fat that they don’t vote. We voted in GW Bush TWICE! He invaded two countries running up our debt and allowed radical theocrats (dominionist christians) under the guise of fiscal issues form the tea party that now threatens the entire world’s economy. At least you guys stopped Morsi.

  • mustafatayli

    Ashton came many times to Egypt for mediation, this doesnt mean to interfere egypt’s internal affairs. Ameracans came many times to Egypt for mediation, this doesnt mean to interfere egypt’s internal affairs. Saudi and Gulf countries give billions for making coup in Egypt, this doesnt mean to interfere egypt’s internal affairs. But when Turkey condemns violence of Army this means to interfere egypt’s internal affairs. Real fear is that nobody wanted a second Turkey in the region, Especially elitist seculars, giant economic bodies of mubarek era and army.

    • Intellectualist

      Turkey was a model of secularism for a thousand years. Erdogan represents a theocratic scourge that threatens to take Turkey right into the ridiculous cycle of ethnic conflict. Does the theater of the palisraeli comedy of stupidity teach anyone anything? Is it any more ethical for Israel to claim itself a “jewish state” as it is the Iranians to call themselves an islamic one? I look at the region and see only humans trying to live their lives without violent conflict being split into teams and perched on pedestals of sand from which they’re brainwashed into throwing rocks at each other. Wake up already. These social dividers are nothing more than an excuse for the profiteers of war to create customers. The real threat coming is mass starvation from climate change. Do we need to invent an alien invasion from outer space to snap you out of it?

      • mustafatayli

        Turkey had beeb muslim country for one thousand years. But last 100 years someones tried to make Turkey Secular. But they couldnt success. Now Turkey is going towards its origin only. (not important how others name it) And when the other muslim countries owerthrowed its kings and dictators. They will go to the same way.

        • Intellectualist

          Kemal Ataturk didn’t encompass all people to unify turkey? The end game of theology is life after death. Is death really necessary? Does a government predicated on the promise of something it can’t prove can be delivered anything less than a confidence scam? I find it telling that Gulen founds a political movement based on religion, sucks $25 billion out of you, then skips the country to the US with it. He leaves behind the mess he created and starts political trouble over here. Why? If his scam was so great, why is he here?

      • Dr Bilal SAVAS

        Go learn Turkish history pal! Turkey ruled the world since about 1300 until the Committee of Union and Progress took power and relinguished the Ottomans. The remainders of the story tell you about the Middle East and Balkans and also many dictators 2 Bushes, Al Sisi, Al Assad etc. Petroloum wars also should be mentioned. Puppet dictators such as Kingdom of SA, Jordan, Katar, UAE etc. And most importantly Zionist Israel. This is the story of you after the Ottoman Empire! Erdogan has no vision and power to correct things! But once the Ottomans had brought peace to the world why not once again Turkey and her alliances can accomplish once again! But this requires gut and broad vision! By the way all the roads lead to Istanbul not Rome!

  • Dr Bilal SAVAS

    Is Al Sisi the most pious muslim as he slaughtered thousands of true Egyptian muslims? Reinstating Democracy is not massacring your own people by shooting them dead on their heads or hearts. Al Sisi is the true dictator such as Al Sisi the little Hitler or Pinochet!

    • Intellectualist

      Weak words from weak minds.

      • Dr Bilal SAVAS

        Your mechanism of reaosining should be mended! Onesidedness, biasedness and lack of universal ideas poison your process of reasoning! Sorry matey. Teach yourself some reason! Your disease is an unexplainable one! Beyond the words!

        • Intellectualist

          My intellect dwarfs yours. Dr.?? Of what? A universal idea of governance over religion frees people to practice. A governance under religion enslaves all those not in the government church,mosque, temple etc.

          • Dr Bilal SAVAS

            Laughable miserable comic. I am sorry your highness for chatting with intellectual yourself! Read the entire chat and see whose intellect superior! Apparently a PhD should not have chatted to ordinary people like you. That is my lesson I learned from this soury and tedious conversation experience yet again. What a pitty! Pitty on me!

          • Intellectualist

            A PHD earned at an institution not worthy ought to prove itself and revoke it.

          • Dr Bilal SAVAS

            If you havent got any you are in no place to judge a PhD. Also why so have an inferiority complex? :((((

        • Intellectualist

          Nevermind. Economics. “Thee kill not” but it isn’t compulsory so you state, so it means you have no moral code whatsoever. We have knowledge now of the encephalopathy caused by religious fundamentalism and you fit the profile well with your contradictory and discriminatory statements. I would urge your employer to suspend your tenure pending further psychiatric and medical evaluation. Your violent words are soon to be followed with a physical manifestation that could threaten the health and safety of your students. Just sayin’.

          • Dr Bilal SAVAS

            Actually no need to respond these insulting, disgusting, revolting and narrow minded slogans. But let me remind you your little intellectual (!) brain cannot question my qualifications and professions. I warn you that your insults are crossing the boundaries. As an academic I am quite familiar with your types though. I do not give a buck about your hatred of religion. I just do not care. My self dignity just doesnt allow me to respond your bulls…. insults. Farewell my matey!

          • Intellectualist

            Such a weak response. Your hatred of other religions is obviously the issue here. “Warn” is a weak capitulation that your service in education or governance is about to end. You “self dignity” is prejudicial and bigoted. You obviously care because you cannot stop fomenting terroristic and inflammatory rhetoric. You’re just a sad has been.

          • Dr Bilal SAVAS

            I mean you are not worthy to chat with! This is my resolution. Cos I am tired of responding such insulting and empty statements.

  • Dr Bilal SAVAS

    If Al Sisi has gut to go to bulletbox then he must stop killing innocent anti coup demonstrators! He even isnt sure if he will save his coup! In the end he has no place to escape from the rule of law! He cannot kill all of the Egyptian people! Actually Egypt is not a banana republic! It has had a long-lasting dictatorial government though! Democracy must be reinstated sooner or later. Otherwise a civil war will be broken out unfortunately! Not only Ikhwan but millions of freedom lovers cannot endure this banana republic for good!

    • Intellectualist

      Sisi can go to the ballotbox, steer the platforms and debates , then defer to the candidate of his making and allow his genius to live on without him. Leading from behind. The most noble achievement.

  • Dr Bilal SAVAS

    What do you reckon Premier Erdogan would do? Do you want him not to support the legitimately elected President Mursi and applaud the military compradors! As legitimately president elect M. Mursi is the first civil president of Egpyt! No matter what he is a member of Ikhwan or not! Ikhwan is not terrorist organization! Even it would be so, FJP was a legitimate party to join the presidential elections! In the past Turkey has read this book many times and today you would not sell this shit nobody. Egypt is a muslim country and majority of its people are muslim. Ikhwan stems from this society. Every one in Egypt should respect this fact.

    • Intellectualist

      Erdogan is blinded by power and incompetent to rule. Theocracy reigns in his paranoid weakness.

  • Dr Bilal SAVAS

    You would not gain respect or support from Egyptians by killing innocent people and punishing people of Gazza by blocking the border! Free democratic Egypt wouldnotbe loved by zionist IsraelThat is the point! Free democratic Egypt would be wealthy, respectful, honorouble. These are the promises of the President of Muhammad Mursi. Egypt would need not US aids to feed its people by subsidizing them!
    Down with Military Coup and Al Sisi and zionist compradors!

    • Intellectualist

      Morsi promised but lied.

      • Sublime Port

        Sounds like your describing a modern politician.

        • Intellectualist

          Pretty much. the Tea party promised salvation and dominionist rule.

  • Dr Bilal SAVAS

    To sum up: Mr Al -Adawy if I were in your shoes I would not worry about PM Erdogan’s political future but rather would think about the cost of supporting the military dictators! People never forget!

    • Intellectualist

      But military genius learns and adapts. Intelligence is a measurement worthy of faith.

      • Dr Bilal SAVAS

        The genious, superman etc. There is no superman and has never been any. Coup detat and military thugs must kill to achieve and cower. But the question is from where they get this right to kill people! Remember the UNIVERSAL rule: Thee kill not! This statement is revelaed by the superior intellect who rules the cosmos! Otherwise there are no universally valid ideas!

        • Intellectualist

          Tell Gulen that rule, he’s forgotten.

  • Dr Bilal SAVAS

    I would like everyone to remember the martyries of R4bia, Nahda Square and other holy martyries of Egypt in the very first day of Eid Al Adha. We never forget them! They mean a lot! They sacrificed themselves for the future of their beloved Egypt and for the future of the whole Muslim world!

    • Фёдор Максаков

      Piss be upon them…

  • Dr Bilal SAVAS

    And also the people of Syria, Palestine, Patani, Iraq, Rhohingya & Arakan, Moro, Eastern Turkestan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Jammu Kashmir, India, Chechnia, Kosovo, Bosnia, Algeria,Tunisia, Libya for they been suffering for ages. Please pray for them in this Holy Day.

    • Фёдор Максаков

      I rather part for Copts suffering under Arab occupation, hypocrite
      whining about opression of muslims even though you blow up churches of Copts, rape their women, you muslim invaders of native Coptic day… Srsly, whining about a 60-year Israel occupation and not giving a heck about occupation of Northern Cyprus, Copts, Assyrians (you know that Arabs are invaders whose true native place is in Saudian desert?), Kurds, Persians (the only nation who achieved its freedom from you) for hundreds of years is smth only muslims can do… especially funny the line about Bosnia, since it were Christians first who suffered under Ottoman occupational rule… But you only like to remember parts of history which are pleasant for you… typical muslims… maybe you don’t know about Chechnya, but it was Chechnya who invaded Russia in 1999 breaking the peace agreement of 1996… Go learn history to remember it fully so that we will not have to remind of “bad parts” ourselves, moron.

  • Intellectualist

    The use of religion to soothe the emotional burdens of guilt and shame are merely the abdication of personal responsibility. Some use alcohol, some drugs, and others bury their emotional anguish in the narcotic of religion. The delusion serves only the user and the societal effect is detrimental. Without a present and effectual deity to mete out corrective measures, rampant human rights abuses abound. Therefore a program to telekinetically alter the cell reproduction in those afflicted with the religion syndrome has been developed and deployed worldwide to accelerate the naturally occurring encephalopathy to reduce the intellectual capacity of those most prone to inflicting abuse and hiding behind a delusional figure. Practice at your own risk. Unlike other recreational substance abuse that physically diminsh brain capacity this method is socially addictive and 100% effective. very astute Mr. Erdogan. Your salvation awaits the extradition and prosecution of Fethullah Gulen.

  • Intellectualist

    Wet enough Savas? heh,heh,heh…

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